It is a shame that in London all the advanced infrastructure for surveillance is used to spy mainly the talented French and appear to be very inefficient to protect the citizens, especially the foreigners, and the people with unstable status.Is this the infrastructure that will secure the Olympics?

Jack, Sydney, Australia

in Australia, racial riots have been provoked by a simple dispute between a lifesaver considered as god here and some young Muslims... The Brits must understand that science, youth and education are worshiped in France. They must express more genuine concern about this disaster.

Jack, Sydney, Australia

Well...I just think why those two guys killed did not take all possible methods to protect themselves?I remember once when the key of our house had been lost my father has replaced a door lock immediately making sure nobody would inrude our house.

Alex, Coventry, England

Failing to execute psychopathic killers like these shows we have only a selective respect for life. It shows no respect for the lives of other prisoners and prison staff who too frequently are assaulted or killed by them. They may kill a cellmate; does that man deserve dying? We must protect all.

Bill, Mountain View, California, USA

For me, with the death penalty it's the entire Society that's agreeing on a murder. In a way, murder would be legal...

Hugo, Lyon, France

I´m shocked.I lived 8 years in West/London and yes i falled safe .I feel really sorry for the victims families and friends.
Hope the murder will find very soon.

Tom, Munich , BAVARIA

And I hope that the killers don't read the Times!!! Either the investigators are stupid beyond belief OR/AND the journalist deserves to be prosecuted for helping the murderers get away!!!

Isa, Lyon, France

oh so the police have woken up.

Bri, London, UK

Those debating the death penalty need to stop telling us they are "offended" or "shocked" by the suggestion of capital punishment. No one is interested. On the other hand, if you have an opinion that will inform the debate, by all means contribute.

Howie, London, UK

This is why the right to bear arms is so important. When the police have been called you are probably already dead.

God bless these two young men and their families.

Sarah, Valparaiso,

I find it a little offensive that in a murder story we should be informed that the Bonomo family house has a swimming pool and landscaped gardens.

Didi, London,

When we have the right to defend ourselves in our own homes we will be a lot safer.
I'm coming to the conclusion the law is only there to make a profit for themselves not to adminster justice
My deepest sympathies go out to all concerned

DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE CRIME IN THE COUNTRY

grahan, Swansea, UK

My condolences go out to the family and friends affected and I’m just so disappointed how the image of London is being tarnished by these murderers using knives.

Labour has to stop hiding behind the bushes and take some drastic action, Sir Ian Blair the people of London aren’t feeling safe.

RI

RI, London, UK

Jane,

Mabye Yves thinks that the Talion's law had its time, and revenge is not anymore the best way to go. I'm French, I'll be living in London next Year, I'm half scared, but I am also very disapointed to see that the only response some people have towards violence is violence itself.

Ben, Rennes, France

The appeals process for death sentences costs more than lifetime incarceration. A recent study by Indiana's Criminal Law Study Commission concludes that the total cost of the death penalty is 38% greater than the total cost of life without parole. Or should we do away with the right to appeal too?

James, Leeds, UK

Er, Chris, if you check your facts, you'll find it wasn't the Tories who closed the asylums to sell them off.

elizabeth schumann, Paris, France

can u really trust the police to convict the right man and execute him in this country?they are capable of fitting people up just to get a result and they even had a murderer in their ranks as a detective inspector who was allowed bail and killed again.

Kevin, London, England

This is all due to the mental hospitals being closed and sold off by the govt. All the lunatics are free to walk in the community. It was called "care in the community" by the tories who released them. Now innocent people pay with their lives when they cross paths with the lunatics.

Chris, London, England

Here's ane example: Beheading Daniel Pearl and others on television.

Stop the planet. Some of us want to get off.

David Forman, North Haledon, USA

Yves...who needs a culture that murders people like this for playstations? The human race needs some pruning, and the only way to do it is on merit. Give the death penalty for heinous crimes such as this, and for repeat offenders of lesser crimes who cannot be rehabilitiated. No ifs, no buts.

David Ashton, Bathurst, Australia

I am concerned when people are talking about the ttaxes would be paid for murders in prison while the families and relatives are crying their loved ones. I do not care if those lunatics, animals die in prison. I prefer to pay taxes to keep somebody in prison than to leave him or her to attack again.

Myriam, London, UK

Yves,

Please give us examples of any comments which are as savage as torturing and stabbing two people over 150 times and then setting them on fire.

I see people asking for revenge, retribution and an eye for a eye - but I can't see anything as savage as what hapened at New Cross.

Jane, Paris,

There has been a lot of naive praise of New York for supposedly "solving" its crime problem. In fact, statistics suggest that the problem simply moved out of New York into neighbouring cities. You can't change determined criminals; you can only persuade them to be criminals somewhere else.

jon livesey, Sunnyvale, CA/USA

Having read all comments I'm double shocked by some of them. Ever given a thought you are having a cultural problem? Such vengeance, such a vindictiveness... this' not the purpose of the law. Several comments are as savage as the crime they opine upon.

Poor victims and they devastated families.

Yves, Gent, Belgium

Arthur -- no I don't want the perpetators to continue living. If I had the power I'd send the army after them, with carte blanche to do whatever they want when they've found them.

But maybe that's why we don't have the death penalty. I want revenge; the judiciary is there to administer justive.

Rob, London,

The sustained ferocity of the attack suggests a crackhead fuelled by drugs and hate, and able to pick up forensic science tips from TV crime drama.

New York reclaimed its streets after years as the crime capital of the world. London must now replicate this feat. It will not be easy.

Robin Hughes, London, UK

the two students were probbly involved in animal testing and were targeted for this and were tortured to teach them a lesson and the laptop was stolen to try find out names and contact details of other students or persons involved in that line of work

john, leeds,

Paddy, Yes there is such a thing as "civilised killing" - to remove people who have gone way beyond accepted norms.

Moving to another example, potentially even more horrific than this story: How else should we deal with the people who made the 17 year old drink petrol and then set him on fire?

Arthur, London,

taking the games and card away could just be a cover up action to the real motive?

Daisy, london,

Lets hope Europe's revulsion at this crime will at last lead to Government action. This Government have failed on crime and the country is being torn apart by it. Its time for real action. The real danger to us is roaming our streets day an night not some terrorist fantasy in Gordon's head.

Bruce Mcaaw, Grantham,

There is likely to be something else to come up about this story. Some connection between the students or the student's families and the murderer/s.
Why would the murderers remain to inflict all those injuries instead of taking rapid flight, and why is the fiancee quoted as planning "vengence" ?

caroline, London, UK

Every week I see the crimes. Every week I see the murderers in my minds eye and every week they are the same. They have the same ethnicity the same mentality and the same regard for human life. They all hail from a culture that has little or no regard for the human soul. They are ferel & ungodly.

Chris Williams, Bridgend, UK

An absolutely horrific crime, but for all those advocating the death penalty check this site http://www.innocent.org.uk/cases/ If you're prepared for innocent people to die, then fine, just admit it, because it will be inevitable.

Steve Hughes, London, United Kingdom

I think criminals such as these should automatically be given life sentences ( literal ones) and then their case should be reviewed 5 years on. If no exonerating evidence has emerged since their conviction, they should be executed within a week.

Kieran McCartney-Patel, Wembley, UK

Just an idea: the laptop should have been linked to an internet server/provider .
If it is in use now, it can be traced by IP number.
Also I believe that the terrible crime reminds something that drugged youngsters would commit.

Kaye, Poa, Brazil

they need to catch who did it first no? -.-

ct, bangor,

"I am not advocating execution for every convicted murderer - just for those whose behaviour during the commission of their crimes has been way beyond civilised norms."
Isn't killing another human being beyond civilised norms?
Is there such thing as a civilised killing?

Paddy, Leicester,

They should get what they give. People in Canada are tired of
our courts and the laws that 'forgive the crime, by low time'.
The death penalty is what they give, so be it in return.

Gary Paterson, vancouver bc, Canada

I agree bring back the death pently because our chidren are no longer save to go out, we are no longer save in our own homes, and these students did not derserve to die like they did, they were working toward saving mankind and they die a death like that!! Bring back the the death pently I say.

Sandra, Southend, Essex

My heartfelt sympathies goes out to the family and friends of the two young men. The crime defies belief. I for one am ashamed to be British. How can these events happen, and so frequently? Nothing can make up for this loss, but we need to draw a line now, this stops here. Lets take responsibility

Brett, lincolnshire, UK

Whilst whoever perpetrated these horrific murders had no right to take the life of these two promising young men, we as a society cannot assume the right to kill the perpetrators. We do not have the death penalty in the UK, and I am thankful for it. However life inprisonment should ALWAYS mean life

k, Tokyo,

The bodies were found on Sunday but the announcement delayed until Thursday (or late Wednesday?).

The delay may have been due to the need to inform the families but it made it less likely that witnesses would come forward.

James , Lexington , USA/Virginia

Rob, No, not clear enough!

I am not advocating execution for every convicted murderer - just for those whose behaviour during the commission of their crimes has been way beyond civilised norms.

I have yet to come across a miscarriage of justice in any such cases - hence my question stands.

Arthur, London,

I would have no problem supporting the death penalty for such a monster (or monsters) except that the legal system is imperfect and the death penalty would almost certainly lead to the death of the innocent.

Neil Murphy, cromer,

The person or persons responsible for this atrocity will have family and friends who must know they are capable of this level of violence. I hope they are looking at them now with a sense of fear and hopefully enough revultion to go to the police.

Trudy Ahyee, London, UK

Out of all the recent stabbings and murders, these 2 are by far the most horrific & sad! Its beyond belief that such a tragedy has occurred. I think there must have been more than 1 intruder as how could 1 person bound and gag 2 men? Even with a knife it seems unlikely 1 person could overpower 2?

Ben , Glasgow,

A horrific case, if it's a robbery then all I can is the level of violence used is mind boggling. Its more like the profile of a deranged lunatic, but perhaps it's the work of very viscious criminal(s). Although I'm not in favour of the death penalty, there are occasions when I wonder.

Paul, Carlow, Ireland

pin #s, PSPs, his laptop?

Bonobo researched proteins that caused infectious diseases at the graduate level, it can't be done without toxin samples and a genetics lab, probably such data at lab & on his stolen laptop and he'd know position and ID of dangerous samples at his lab. inventory his lab

TinJ, Austin, USA

If life meant life and 10 years meant 10 years I would agree with the majority of people commenting. They do not so until then I have to agree with Arthur. We however play our part. We do not want to pay with our taxes for more prisons.It is folly but as we are picked off 1 by 1 we do nothing.

J Nowland, Leeds, United Kingdom

Idea: examine past criminal records (more than likely to exist in this case) of the perpetrators. If its clear that no form of 'therapy' helps, and they're found guilty of this awful crime, should the taxpayer be burdened with keeping their sorry existence going? I think the answer is pretty obvious

Franta, London,

This is why where i live we have the castle law. Shoot burglars dead

DG, Catspring, USA

Personal Identification Number numbers...!?

David, London,

I pray that when the time comes the perpetrators are granted mercy from God to repent and believe in Jesus for the forgiveness of their sin and then prove they have had a true Christian experience by bravely saying along with the Apostle Paul "If, then, I am a wrongdoer and have committed anything worthy of death, I do not refuse to die;" (Acts 25:11) prior to their execution.

Russell, Waco, USA

Well I'm with Arthur & Mrs. Miller - I think u both make a good point.. And Brian my instincts also tell me there is something more sinister here perhaps the two bright students were working on a threat to someone elses work.. who knows.. very vicious attack..

Betty, London,

'...because miscarriages of justice happen with depressing regularity...''

Yes, but for Law and Order that is a price well worth paying.

What else would you have, brutal murders happening every day of the week? Oh, that's what have now!

Michael Clarke, High Wycombe,

It is just disgusting...we havebeen failed y Labour.flooding the country wih immigrants,political rrectnes..greed, sleaze,rubbishtelevision.......gambling.... i hope h erpetators would be wiped off the face of the earth.......we need policing to be more visible

Jean Matthews, London, England

The sad thing is that the purpetrators, if caught, will probably spend the rest of their life in prison funded by our tax money instead of being disposed off in a more humane manner than the one he used on his victims

I think it is about time A Clockwork Orange becomes required viewing for Brits.

Nic, London,

For certain heinous crimes we should definately bring back the death penalty. We are all sick and tired of perpertrators of crime bleating 'its because I was high on drugs'. Their conditions are self-induced and society is much the poorer for it. They are not the victims we are!

Mrs. G.Miller, Folkestone, Kent

Arthur:
Yes, many people could explain why not. No, we don't want them living among us, which is why there are things called prison and therapy. Yes, they should continue living as they have that right and as no-one has the right to kill them - just as no-one had the right to kill the students

Nick, Leicester,

Well said Arthur.

David, dublin,

In response to Arthur: To show that we have more respect for life, even the lives of the lowest of the low, than the brutal thugs who committed this crime.

Jon Bell, London,

I wonder how the Plods would have reacted had these 2 murdered young men fought back,badly injured their attacker(s) and hence survived. I feel sure that a prosecution would be in the offing toute de suite.People attacked in their homes must be allowed to defend themselves - with lethal force.

Chris, Walsall, UK

The killings were horrific at best. The perpetrators are evil and should be made to suffer for their crimes against both the law and simple humanity.

This does not mean that we should become as evil as the perpetrators. We may not want them to live, but that doesn't allow us to assume their role.

James, Seattle, WA, USA

Let us hope that the perpetrator(s) is (are) caught and the death penalty administered.

curmud, Ponchatoula, U S A

I will explain to you Arthur; because miscarriages of justice happen with depressing regularity and there is the possiblity that innocent people would be killed, and because all moral high ground is lost if the state sanctions revenge killings. Clear enough?

Rob, launceston, cornwall

This does not sound like a burglary to me but a cover up of something far more sinister.

Stabbing someone 200 times is not torture it's either rage or designed for distraction from the real reason they were killed.

A thief steals a laptop, copies keys and calmly returns for pin numbers?????

Brian Hill, Edinburgh,

Another day, another murder. Welcome to the UK. The land where the criminal rules and has more rights than the victim.

Kate, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England

Can anyone explain to me why the people who committed these atrocities should not be executed after being caught, tried and found guitly?

Do we really want such people to continue living amongst the rest of us?

Actually, the real question is: "Do we really want such people to continue living?"

Arthur, London,

Specialist officers are hoping that the mobile telephones will be used, allowing them to trace the signal and find the devices !!

Brilliant ! Do you think that these guys don t read the papers ??
Unbelieveable...

Brad, St Auban, GB